of politics that puts american politics at risk. >> and joining me form new york city mayor, rudy guiliani. i don't care what anybody says, this is now a design to inflict maximum pain on the american people to show those republicans are just, these are draconian cuts, right or wrong. >> absolutely right. the cuts are modest, they're small, they're almost rounding errors in the budget. the budget is 3.73, 3.8 trillion dollars, at the maximum. and this is an 85 billion dollar cut. it's, this year, 44 billion. >> sean: 44 billion, okay, at 85 billion it's a 2.2% cut. at 44 billion, it's half that. now, if you can't cut somewhere between 1.2 and 2.2%, from any federal program, you should be fired for not being able to figure out an efficient program. and look at it this way and we get caught in in, too. we're not cutting, w cutting additional spending. so, this would be like saying, i have a job for $100,000, i take that home to my family. my boss tells me, i'm at $110 it,000 raise this year and all of a sudden he comes to me, says, no, it won't be 110,000, it will be 107,000 raise and a 7,000 r